audio, @DONQUIXOT3, beginning of the month

[icanfixer]

[ literally so sorry to anyone who decides to check this out-- ]

HARK!!!!!!

There are new lands to discover! Such as yonder... "bowling alley"! I have seen shadows behind the contraptions at the end, but chasing them leads to nothing -- it is most perplexing. Nonetheless!!! I wished to share to all the goodly news, and to ask a simple question to all of thee!!!!

[ a beat. a blessed pause. then, very simply asked: ]

Do thee believe in justice?!

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[elswhisperer]

Many people define justice differently. What does it mean to you? And what does it mean to believe in it?

[ He would have more questions about her interesting manner of speech if he weren't familiar with an American self-professed samurai. ]

[icanfixer]

[ wow she's being asked questions back. love this. but no one has answered her straightly she's gonna start thinking the lot of you........ are morally grey!!!!!! ]

Justice is defending the weak! It is ensuring those who do evil are thusly punished! And, above all, it is to do right by thy fellow man! For example, if one was to see another in trouble, they would jump into action with no questions asked nor a moment's hesitation! That is what it means to me, and what it means to believe in it as well -- a decent person ought to, no matter the circumstance!

[ very earnest, very passionate, very much the vibe of she's sincerely serious about this ]

[elswhisperer]

I agree with your overall definition.

[ Setsuna's deeply invested in these kinds of questions. Don is pretty eccentric, but that's no reason not to answer her sincerely! ]

I think most people believe in justice, but they often can't agree on what's 'evil', or what the best way to do right by others is. They start viewing each other as the enemy, and hurt one another in the name of justice, even when they all want the same outcomes.

[icanfixer]

That is simply picking at a fraying cloak, no? There are universal goods, and universal evils. When thine eyes spy someone who is attacking another, no matter the situation, do thee not step in and incapacitate the attacker? When there is extortion afoot, do thee not render the extortionist unable to speak? So long as thee seek to protect the weak from the strong who would misuse their strength, that is justice.

[ it's

very simple, very straightforward, very black and white. ]

[elswhisperer]

[ Setsuna sure wishes things were this simple... He almost envies this absolute confidence in what's right and what's wrong. ]

In your first example, what if the person being attacked was someone that had harmed the attacker before you got there?

[icanfixer]

[ ... mmm. ]

Whilst it is regrettable, one can lie easily to another who has not seen it with their own eyes -- I will simply put them both to the ground if that be the case!

[ group punishments are justice too ]

[elswhisperer]

You'll have stopped the conflict, but someone will have been punished without deserving it. Are you sure that's completely just?

[icanfixer]

[ now you're just getting philosophical for someone who acts first due to her principles ]

Would thee rather allow the fight to continue, unable to tell who had been at fault? Frozen in thine indecision, whilst the beating continued? There is no such time for hesitation when justice need be dealt out; whomever is not at fault shall be apologized to once sorted, but justice is as justice does in the moment!

[elswhisperer]

[ This man more or less broke into someone's house to ask philosophical questions. He cannot help himself. ]

I understand your logic. End the fight first, then figure out the situation from there. By intervening, you prevent greater harm to both parties. I'd do the same.

So you figure out who the real instigator is. What happens then?

1/2

[icanfixer]

[ there's a lull, hold on --

click. ]

2/2 -> text

[icanfixer]

[ okay hold on-- ]

PARDON THE SUDDEN CHANGE WE MAY CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION IN THIS WAY

THE ONE WHOM I HAVE CAUSED HARM THAT DID NOT RIGHTLY DESERVE IT IS THUS APOLOGIZED TO, AND THE ONE WHOM RIGHTLY DESERVED IT IS THEN KILLED

[elswhisperer]

[


what ]

You can't be serious.

[icanfixer]

WHAT MAKES THEE THINK I AM NOT?

[ i'm sooooooooo sorry my gundam dude ]

[elswhisperer]

[ Ohhhhh no, she is serious, isn't she.

Where to even start here. Figure out her thought process? ]

Your position is extreme.

Why do they deserve to die?

[icanfixer]

BECAUSE VILLAINS OUGHT TO PERISH

[ she's so very sincere about this. the city is just Like That but her insistence on justice has. on one occasion. caused her to kill her own comrade. so. ]

[elswhisperer]

[ Replace 'villain' with 'infidel' and this sounds just like the rhetoric he was fed as a child.

Setsuna knows it'll take more than anything he alone can say to change her mind on this, but he's not about to abandon the conversation. ]

Can't a villain change their ways?

[icanfixer]

[ can't a villain change their ways?

could hermann? could kromer? could the city itself change on its own, from towering buildings sick with sin and injustice, with villains and exploitation of those smaller, weaker, sicker, poorer? could the backstreets ever become livable -- not survivable, but livable--

can't a villain change their ways? ]

VILLAINS DO NOT WISH TO CHANGE
IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD NOT CHOOSE TO BE VILLAINS

[elswhisperer]

[ He can't say he doesn't understand where she's coming from with that. ]

Not all villains know what they are.

[icanfixer]

THAT, I KNOW
HOWEVER, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME
IF ONE HURTS OTHERS FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT, THEIR OWN GAIN, THEN THEY ARE A VILLAIN WHETHER THEY BELIEVE THEMSELVES TO BE OR NOT
IT IS THE DUTY OF A KNIGHT, A FIXER, TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WHO CANNOT PROTECT THEMSELVES ARE PROTECTED

[elswhisperer]

Is there no chance that you could become a villain without ever noticing? If another knight rose up to defeat you in the name of justice, would you fight them?

[icanfixer]

[ there's a somewhat lengthier pause this time. be it seething at the thought of herself becoming that which she despised, or giving it real thought -- who can say, over text. ]

MY COMPANIONS WOULD NEVER ALLOW ME TO VEER SO FAR OFF COURSE

[ but would she believe them? if she thought herself right, if she was so single-minded, would she believe them? or would she become like-- ]

HOWEVER
IF THERE EVER CAME A DAY WHEN THAT WAS TRUE, MOMENT
THEN I WOULD FIGHT THEM
IT WOULD BE A TEST OF WHO BELIEVED IN THEIR JUSTICE MORE

[ because

all villains have their own justice. everyone has their own form of it. lines they won't see crossed, or beliefs they would fight to keep. forms of justice. ]

BUT IT WILL NEVER COME TO PASS SO PUT IT FROM THY MIND

[elswhisperer]

I can't say I wouldn't do the same.

[ Setsuna made himself an enemy of the world to do what he believed was right.

Despite what he thinks of her justice, he can't honestly judge her for her answer, or call it wrong. One's own ideals shouldn't be so flimsy that they crumble upon facing opposition.

Sometimes, the only way forward is to fight. ]