text; anonymous

[gradenine]

oh yeah heads up
ive heard from certain people who committed this themselves and
apparently if you kill someone here
you get your memories wiped of the incident altogether
not sure why they'd go out of their way to do that here but they do this sort of thing where im from all the time so im very used to seeing it
probably can't say the same for other people from other worlds so you guys have to educate me on that

so uhh
im not saying you should or shouldn't kill altogether
im not your mom
but just keep that in mind the next time you got some kinda murderous urge or something
the reason why im anonymous right now is bc i don't wanna reveal who did that in the first place
it might lead to some awkward icebreakers on their part
also i wouldn't lie about something like this if anyone's wondering bc i got no time to waste on leading people on

but this is probably the worst thing any newcomer would wanna see, huh
whoops
well... welcome to this city, i guess

( ooc: feel free to threadjack and craft theories! kromer/@gripper will also be answering questions about things she knows as a victim as well. )

Comments

un: 05

[zerofive]

So you're saying there is a confirmed killer, a murderer, among the group of kidapped individuals, who has actively committed to killing someone, even in these circumstances

And you're unwilling to divulge their name... Because you're concerned about that knowledge leading to "awkwardness".

If you are not the killer yourself, then you are either a liar, or the stupidest person I have ever known.

anonymous

[gradenine]

eh i doubt that person is gonna do it again
on top of having their memory erased
they don't exactly have a spine either

and like i said
i don't have time nor luxury to be making up shit here
call me stupid or whatever, im just relaying what i put together based from what i'd seen and heard from my City

un: midnightespresso

[nerine]

Wait what
Oh god I really need to keep my ear to the ground more!

[gradenine]

yeah...
sorry to break it to you like this
but to be fair, you wouldn't have known unless you've killed or be killed

text; un: thefool

[mollymocks]

so what happened to the dead person?

anonymous

[gradenine]

great question!
you'd want to ask this person

@DONQUIXOT3 1/2

[icanfixer]

[ holy shit

what are the chances!!!!!!! someone else killed!!! ]

SPEAK THEIR NAME I SHALL DELIVER JUSTICE UNTO THEM THERE SHALL BE NO HAND LAIN UPON ANOTHER SO LONG AS I AM FLEET OF FOOT!!!!!!!

2/2 i'ms orry

[icanfixer]

[ WAIT. ]

UNLESS IT WERE IN SELF-DEFENSE IN WHICH CASE IT IS WHOLLY JUSTIFIED METHINKS

@Kromer, threadhopping 👌

[gripper]

( ...hahaha.

well. she sure can use this to her advantage. there's nothing else that could have happened, she always goes through this despite it never feeling like it really happened to her, but certainly certainly certainly... )

Thanks for the heads up, Anonymous, but if anyone wants some real firsthand information about this kind of thing--
Well. I'm a poor victim of this crime!!! Ask whatever you want, and I'll do my best to answer.

un:thefool

[mollymocks]

you seem remarkably not dead for a murder victim

text; un: loveless

[limbical]

Not the worst, but it's not great, yeah.

People willing to kill in a small group, but I wonder what the incentive would be. Though I suppose not everyone needs a good reason.

anonymous

[gradenine]

guess you're used to seeing this kind of violence, then?
but yeah, exactly
there's no incentive on killing anyone here, but there's no law enforcement to stop you from doing it either
i guess if you count getting handcuffed out of nowhere but i assume that's more pettier crimes
as you can see, we're practically on our own here but we're being watched too, in a way

un: junpei

[coolerjunpei]

you're not saying we definitely shouldn't kill each other huh.

[Anon......... the optics. They suck!!!]

i'll say it then, hey everyone: don't go around killing people, what the hell. i will be your dad, don't kill or you're grounded.

Re: un: junpei

[gradenine]

[ wow, junpei. didn't think you had what it takes to be a dad - is what roland would normally say, but since he's on anon: ]

that's the spirit
i would rather have someone say it than me
so thanks

@weltyang

[indwelt]

[ damn, ok then ]

It's not a wholly unheard of procedure, though it's used largely to remove memories of knowledge that civilians shouldn't have access to. Though I suppose murder might be considered unwanted by some people...

Have there been a lot of these types of incidents so far?

[ can you tell he's new ]

anonymous

[gradenine]

i recall someone telling me that he tried to start a fire in city hall with another guy
but they were handcuffed the next day
as to who's been doing the cuffing, nobody knows
as far as we know, we're the only ones left in this world

but that's the thing
food is free in this world, for example
so how would this city know if we're simply getting what we need from stores
or outright stealing from them?

text; un: gg_crew

[earthshine]

[ … wait ]

How are "certain people" confirming that they murdered someone and lost their memories of having done so… if their memories have been wiped of doing it in the first place?
Not what I would call a reliable source

anonymous

[gradenine]

see it's kinda complicated to explain
a victim had just spoken up about it up there if you wanted a more credible source than a guy behind a shadow
basically the perpetrator was prepared to kill the victim
but there's a gap in their memory after said incident took place

@vogel

[halbird]

[ staring at this long and hard. the texting speech pattern is... yeah. the context is... yeah.

maybe he could delude himself into thinking he wasn't the source of this public discovery, but kromer kromering up above and everything sure confirms the obvious fact that he is. ]

Thank you for letting people know.

[ this isn't pass agg, truly, because people should know about city bullshit. but also



ah... why, roland, why...... ]

1/2 ruina spoilers lmao

[gradenine]

[ ah. emil seeing this was inevitable. but it's too late - roland can't possibly unanon now, especially when kromer's kromering it up. on one hand she's being oddly cooperative about answering questions on her side, but...

mm. there's nothing fair about this at all. even now, roland continues to contribute to the cycle of betrayal that their city likes to perpetuate upon its citizens. there's no helping it. there's no changing them - no, there's just no changing himself anymore.

Why should I begrudge it, since during the hours
when my soul crushed the depths of my heart,
it was seated there beside me? ]

un: aragaki

[petsthedog]

[what.]

if they lost their memories how do they know they killed someone

anonymous

[gradenine]

there's a certain gap in their memories after the incident took place

for example
if you had intent to kill this person
prepared a knife and everything
and you're about to stab them
that's all you can remember before coming back to your senses and find yourself back on the train
at least that's what the poor victim there had put it

[ """poor""" victim. ]

un: poison_wing | text

[wingclip]

As terrible as it sounds... I was wondering what would happen if it ever came to that.

[Death, that is. She has a lot of questions, but...]

This is valuable information. Thank you.

anonymous

[gradenine]

you're welcome

not gonna lie, i thought i was gonna get dragged for this
but it's important for everyone to know in case someone tries to fool around with kitchen knives, for instance
we have way too much freedom in this place after all

text, un: 013

[blattella]

Don't worry, anonymous; I'd give everyone a welcome soon enough with more panicked theorycrafting, so you're really just beating me to the punch.

Gotta say I'm a little disappointed that there's already been some killing.

[Especially if this is someone from the City, which he's assuming with that comment about memory erasure being common and the way Kromer's down there being the redditor of the year, bless her thigh high booties.]

Had to happen sooner or later. At least now we definitely know we're being watched and judged on a baseline of human morality.

txt, un: duomaxwell

[heeroics]

do we?

a baseline of human morality where human beings are allowed to kill other human beings with impunity and without any pretense of regret is called war

txt; @wrenched

[wrenchedup]

sure am glad that it only took a couple of weeks to get to the murder stage of all this. quick q: why do they do this in your world, reality, whatever? just cause or like. ..???

anonymous

[gradenine]

mostly to keep their corporate secrets a
well
a secret
it's either that or you get killed once you decide to quit your job or retire

although murder is pretty much the norm in my world so this is kinda odd even for me who has seen a lot of shit

username: cstarling

[quietlypersistent]

( that’s great, just great, truly. not the job security she wanted. can a girl get a real vacation or does she even have to work overtime in some forced relocation to god knows where? )

If killing results in memory loss and the victims return to life, I worry rather than discourage murder, it will encourage it as a system of no permanent consequence in a place with a somehow growing pool of victims to pick from. This is more than concerning.

anonymous

[gradenine]

you got a point
if kromer can come back to life after an incident like that
then i bet we're capable of coming back too
man i'd hate getting my head bashed in just for pissing the wrong person around here

un : maxwell

[braidedwonder]

So does the victim get to remember, or no? If so, super fucked because now they have to be on their toes for their amnesiac murderer all the time.

That’s twisted on a new level.

@Kromer

[gripper]

I don't remember what happened when I died, so suffice to say the answer is no, we don't.
I've only been putting together what must have happened to me.
Is that better or worse, Maxwell?

text; un: Hob

[100more]

What? Why would you protect a murderer? What if they try to kill someone again?

[Hob is starting to think he's been locked up with some crazy people, including a killer and the anonymous poster.]

@Kromer

[gripper]

He's spineless and won't do it again.
According to Sir Anonymous.

( "he won't do it again" is true but for different reasons, though. extremely thin reasons, but what is life but a carefully walked tightrope. )

UN: RK800; text

[lickstheevidence]

Protecting the identity of the killer makes you an accessory after the fact. If there was a legitimate law enforcement agency here, admitting something like this would be very ill advised.

Maybe it's time for such an organization to exist.

@Kromer

[gripper]

Taking justice into your own hands? Careful, RK800, that one's definitely a slippery slope.

( says literally the woman who does this. anyway. )

This city does well enough with policing itself without a secondary force. If you break something, you wake up handcuffed to something. If you harass someone, you wake up handcuffed to someone else. If you kill someone, apparently you forget that you did so. Maybe it's to keep people safe from the trauma of taking a life, particularly if they did it in self-defense, or in a fit of rage. Some people are pretty temperamental, you know. Doing things, saying things, they never ordinarily would, when they're under duress.

text; un: dredger

[fossick]

[Gods. He's not here to discuss the morality about killing or otherwise, he just wants more detail.]

"Memories wiped of the incident altogether." To what degree? Certainly not enough to stop them from informing you this happened in the first place.

@anon

[icanfixer]

[ uuuuuuuuuuu she doesn't want kromer to keep answering......... when she can answer too........... hold on looking at the sparknotes her roomie gave her about anonymous users.

... ... ...

okay got it!!!!!!!!! this will be flawless. watch out world here comes don incognixote!!!! ]

to the degree in which they hath had an intention of a fight
meeting the one they had so desired to end the life of
and then not remembering the moment of their enemy's inevitable defeat!!!!!!!!
it is most frustrating i am certain!!!!!!!!!!

un: HDB

[horrifictie]

i see i see.
it's very good of you to take responsibility for your actions!
but please don't murder anyone else

anonymous

[gradenine]

uhh im just here to deliver what i know, man
i got nothing to do with this
even the way i even knew about the whole this is a complete accident

that being said
i don't plan on murdering anyone anytime soon if that helps
not sure about the rest though

un: Hythlodaeus

[nomoresharks]

That's... rather disturbing.

I can't even begin to imagine how a situation between two people could get to that point outside of fiction.

anonymous

[gradenine]

you mean violence isn't a thing where you're from?

un: Alibaba

[4libaba]

...leaving aside the ethical problems with this and the way that this place's justice system is somehow even more skewed than regular old japan, this does lead to an interesting question.

is erasing your memory of the incident supposed to be a punishment? it doesn't work as one on basically any level. so there's got to be some reason for why they'd erase the memories leading up to a death in this place. and maybe that has less to do with the murderer vs murdered specifically and more to do with a secret about death that the city wants to keep secret.